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MAN: There's this thing inside
of me, it's like...

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the appetite.

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It's like a wolf that's...

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filling...the hunger.

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♪♪

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[siren wailing]

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MAN: Eustaquio was found shot
multiple times

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in his Fallbrook home.

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His mother-in-law,
Cynthia Katherine Cdebaca,

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charged with the crime.

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We are still currently
investigating

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what the motive might be.

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SAHNI: She's letting
the sheriff's deputies believe

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that she can't remember
her name.

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She can't remember her date
of birth, her age.

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These are things
that are not uncommon to

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see sometimes when someone has
a significant stroke,

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however, it seems unlikely
against other aspects

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of her day-to-day functioning
that we know about.

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What I think Cdebaca
is showing us

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in this moment
is that she hasn't fully

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decided how much responsibility

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she wants to take for
the crime.

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MORGAN: It's bizarre.

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Her wailing is
a little bizarre.

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This looks feigned to me.

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She's pretending that she
doesn't know anything about

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the crime and the scene,
and the wail

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is a weak imitation of, I think,
what she imagines an immediate

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expression of sorrow would be.

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MUNDY: She goes from pretending
to be confused to

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pretending to lament his loss
very quickly,

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and I wouldn't expect
to see that.

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I wouldn't expect her even
necessarily to

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understand the news
she was being given

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if she was anywhere near as

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confused or disoriented
as she presented herself.

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SAHNI: Now, suddenly, she's gone
from not knowing her name

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to a level of anger,

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a level of bitterness, and
doesn't sound like a whole lot

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of remorse.

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Cdebaca feels comfortable
pivoting and taking

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responsibility and credit for

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killing her son-in-law, because
the detectives have now

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befriended her.

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There's some relishment of
her actions, and now she's got

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an audience that she can
describe that to.

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For a psychopath,

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having an audience that they
are commanding, the audience is

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looking to them, what are
they going to say next?

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Even if it's shocking
the audience, being in control

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can be a very satisfying thing
for someone with psychopathy.

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[Cynthia sobbing loudly]

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She sounds monstrous
as she's describing this man's

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last words and her desire
to continue killing him.

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There's a tone of disgust
in it, like that

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he would plead
for his life to her,

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and the way she imitates it,
she is angry at him.

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MORGAN:
With psychopaths,

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they are often angered
and infuriated when people

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don't treat them the way
they expect

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to be treated -- for her,

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this is the final offense
he can do.

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He's humiliating her,
and so she's going

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to kill him
and eliminate the problem.

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SAHNI: Was it
an overreaction? Yes.

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The number of bullets
that he suffered was overkill.

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Cdebaca's behaviors
are ruthless.

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She doesn't feel bad about it.

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MORGAN: Her expression
of emotion seems

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to come out of nowhere.

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It's sort of like
the switch went on,

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the switch went off, and this
is really common after people

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have had a stroke.

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What's consistent here, though,
when we talk about psychopathy,

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is that she's happy
he's dead.

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MUNDY: The hard part to, like,
morally wrap your head around is

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that she would make
that decision

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for so many other people.

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They have to live with knowing
grandma killed dad.

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That's a real just
lack of empathy or ability

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to empathize with her
ostensibly loved ones.

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My dad at times, you know,
he could be hard, but

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he's ultimately fair.

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Alpha personalities,
you know,

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conflict with a lot of other
personality types, and she put

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on a good facade
for years now and, like,

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you know, so this is
a shock to us,

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but it seems like she's been
planning this for a while.

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On the surface,
I wondered how much of

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her decision making was
impaired by the stroke,

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but clearly, there are
premeditated steps to this,

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and she took the time
to pick up the casings.

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She took the time
to clean up after herself.

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Cdebaca is definitely
not a confused,

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disorganized,
unintelligent person.

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This was an organized,
systematic,

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methodically
executed crime.

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MUNDY: She took his life,
and she went to Denny's

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and a casino
on her birthday --

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that's really concerning.

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That's a little more
suggestive of just that

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indifference of human life,

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indifference towards
her own grandchildren,

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her daughter.

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MORGAN: That's what we see
in psychopathy.

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They've taken the law into
their own hands, and they've

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settled the fantasy
in their head

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or settled the score,
and she feels, I think,

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entitled to celebrate.

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That lack of remorse is
what we see in psychopathy.

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[sobbing loudly]

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[sobbing continues]

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MORGAN: In her behavior, we do
see an element of narcissism.

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She has to match
the fantasy in her head

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about how this problem
would have to be resolved.

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So calling the police
was out of the question.

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It wouldn't result in
his death -- in psychopathy,

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people don't believe in
adhering to the social rules.

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They behave by their own rules,

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and they can take matters
into their own hands.

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SAHNI:
She alludes to the idea

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that she had
a troubled childhood.

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There absolutely could have
been some of her

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early experiences and negative
feelings about her own family

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and maybe a domineering parent
projected onto her son-in-law

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that maybe she felt that her

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grandchildren experienced
their father in a more

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domineering and rigid way than
he may actually have been.

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The overkill that you see in
that crime may very well

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have been her tapping into rage

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that she had about some of
her early life experiences.

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[loud sobbing]

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[both sobbing loudly]

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I think it is telling that
her daughter was upset.

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It suggests to me that
her daughter

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was in a full relationship
with the victim.

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She wasn't begging her mother,

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please get rid of someone for me

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and had emotionally
detached from him.

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You really see a very good
illustration of

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how fused she is
in her own head,

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that what is her reality must
be her daughter's reality.

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The story she had going
in her head is that she was

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doing the right thing for her
daughter and her daughter would

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be relieved.

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And it's not really until this
moment that you see that

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the light bulb goes off
in her head

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that she's created a real mess
with her daughter.

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When people are psychologically
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there's no room
in their reality for

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their experiences
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their children.

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Cdebaca gave herself
a birthday gift, and she didn't

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consider the consequences that
it would have on her daughter,

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her grandchildren,
the very people that

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she claimed
she was protecting.

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She did
what she wanted to do.

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There's a callousness,
a coldness,

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a cruelness
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and she's singularly focused.

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Cdebaca's personality
and behaviors

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are consistent with
psychopathic behavior.

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Cdebaca justifies her
behaviors in this narrative

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or view that she excised
a cancer from the family.

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But she is now the one
who is the cancer in

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the family, and this is
something that family may never

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recover from.

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MAN: Prosecutors called it
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This is a case in which

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the defendant admitted to
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her murder.

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MAN: Cdebaca was
in a wheelchair.

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She's 65 years old.

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She bobbed her head and smiled

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as the jury walked into
the courtroom.

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WOMAN: The jury
in the above-entitled cause

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find the defendant,

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Cynthia Cdebaca, guilty of
the crime of murder.